What happens when you stop hedging, burn the boats, and give yourself fully to the work—and life—you love? Poet and author Allie Michelle joins Michael Trainer for a luminous conversation about choosing your art, keeping your heart open, and reclaiming the parts of yourself you’ve suppressed. From walking the Camino de Santiago without a phone to discovering her “Freedom Wolf,” Allie explores why boredom is the birthplace of art, failure is a comma rather than a period, and our deepest work begins when we stop performing and allow ourselves to be fully seen.
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What might become possible if you stopped keeping an escape route—and devoted yourself completely to what you love?
In this intimate and poetic conversation, Michael sits down with bestselling poet and author Allie Michelle, whose work explores love, loss, creativity, lineage, and the courage to remain fully human.
Allie shares the moment she closed her businesses and committed herself entirely to writing—only to receive an unexpected book offer from HarperCollins. As she describes it: “You chose your art, and your art chose you back.”
Together, Michael and Allie explore what it means to create in an age of constant distraction; why boredom may be the birthplace of art; and how the parts of ourselves we suppress often return through the people we love. Allie reflects on walking the Camino de Santiago without her phone, becoming “Freedom Wolf,” and moving from being a writer holding a pen to becoming “a pen in life’s hand.”
They also journey through the unsent words we carry, the courage required to keep the heart open, the wisdom of lineage, and the beauty of making something no one may ever witness—from a pianist playing alone in a forest to an Indigenous flower blessing offered at sunrise.
This is a conversation about burning the boats, letting failure deepen the work, loving people beyond our projections, and singing your song even—and especially—when no one is listening.
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Allie closes the episode with a breathtaking poem imagining a life lived in reverse—a reminder to find magic in the ordinary and return to the only moment we ever truly possess:
Just here. Just now. Just this.
Featured book: Don’t Forget to Light the Candles by Allie Michelle.